Talk:Dream Phantom/@comment-26896603-20150915121603/@comment-26896603-20150916034031

I never said she buffed defense, I made a comparison based on what I observed using her at GUR stage. She is weaker than Fenrir even if she has a DEF buff and she's not as cost-efficient for recent players who want her.

Hoping that wasn't too hard to understand.

I don't think DEF buff is something many people consider when with a MAX DEF GUR. It can be ignored since you don't get killed by anything - excluding LAWs who are not out yet. Having a DEF buffer doesn't mean you would beat the LAW either since she'll most likely have field on her.

It's a nice cookie crumb to have but you can do without it - we're talking about a card you may possibly spend 66 cards worth for just obtaining 1 of her, and that's not a good offer given what she does since you may need to spend the same amount for another of her.

Even if you argue that she's better, if you don't pull her in 33 cards, you're paying over $120 for 1 UR, and you'll need another of her awaken her. If you still don't pull her in 33 cards the 2nd time, that's multiplied by 2 for a GUR.

This is only assuming 44 cards would give her to you - the reality could be much worse.

You could end up paying $500 just to obtain her HUR.

I've obtained more GURs for the same amount of money playing Elemental Select or x7 Hyper Summon - when all is considered (MAX DEF/MAX ATK), your DEF with shrine buffs and upgrade potions make you partially unkillable already in the AEH - barring that most players stack turn skip anyway so you don't get hit by anything.

Once you fall into the AEH enemy proc chain, it's an extra 4 bp.

DEF isn't as important as people make it out to be once the card already has 39,999 DEF, which is what people should be working toward anyway. I already have her at GUR and she's not any more useful than Fenrir - which is the card I replaced her with to check the differences.

I expected her to be stronger but my survival rate remained the same (laughs).

I'd use Ethnia as a comparison but Ethnia is an all-element buffer so she's naturally worth it, and she's from Step summoning so she can't be compared.

Like I said, I'd personally wait for better - it's still up to you if you want to play the box for her.