Talk:Max Attack and Defense/@comment-3204627-20150915132428/@comment-25435121-20150915152154

Yeah, the reason I listed self buffers for both is that they are a weak link in an attack team that focuses on them. If they are the first card to die, you are SOL and may as well flee most times.

Turn skippers however are a support card, and you can usually still win if they die. I agree with Kfcrispy that the ATK+turn skip still falls under the turn skip category. Their ATK is usually pretty low unbuffed, so I'd still list them as a support card.