Talk:Max Attack and Defense/@comment-3204627-20150915132428/@comment-26896603-20150916001802

Yeah, I should have clarified that with you - I apologize.

I count first turn after the start because most nullers will activate during that turn - I survive initial AoE's so even if I get no actives at the start, it doesn't affect me since I know I'll survive. My problem comes from AoE'ing when all the nullers are active.

Either way, ATK remains the best way if you can't survive the first turn since the overkill for 400~500% DMG is close to 40~55K base.